Financial Times'ın analizi: HDP'ye verin Erdoğan bitsin

cimcimegfb · 28 Ekim 2015

Financial Times'ın analizi: HDP'ye verin Erdoğan bitsin
Financial Times gazetesinde yer alan bir analizde, HDP'nin baraşısında Erdoğan’ın “yenilmezlik aurasının bozulacağı” öne sürülüyor.
Türkiye'deki seçimlerin hemen hepsinde AK Parti karşısında CHP'ye destek çağrıları yapan İngliz basını Kılıçdaroğlu'ndan umudu kesti, yönünü Demirtaş'a çevirdi.

AÇIK AÇIK "OYLAR HDP'YE" ÇAĞRISI YAPTILAR
Financial Times'te yer alan analizde açık açık "HDP'nin başarısı, Erdoğan'ın aurasını bitirebilir" diyerek Erdoğan muhaliflerinin HDP'de birleşmesi gerektiğini duyurdu.

İşte o yazıdan bölümler:

"Haziran’da Türk siyasetinin güçsüzlerinin – Kürtler, solcular ve insan hakları aktivistlerinin kurduğu toy ittifak, kritik önemdeki parlamento seçimlerinde oyların yüzde 13’ünü alarak Türk siyasi elitini şaşırttı."

"İSLAMCILAR KÜRT AKTİVİSTLERİ BOMBALIYOR"
"Bu Pazar günü de aynısını yapmayı umuyorlar. Ama bu kez daha rahatsız edici bir ortamda; devletle Kürt militanlar arasındaki çatışmaların yeniden başladığı, İslamcıların Kürt aktivistlere bombalı saldırılar düzenlediği ve Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan’ın kutuplaştırıcı bir söylem kullandığı bir dönemde."

HDP BARAJI AŞARSA ERDOĞAN DARBE ALACAK
"Eğer HDP, Meclis’te temsil edilebilmek için yüzde 10 barajını aşarsa, Erdoğan’ın liderliğine kalıcı bir darbe vuracak, muhtemelen partisini salt çoğunluktan edecek ve kesinlikle 2003’ten itibaren üç dönemlik başbakanlığı sırasında kendisini kuşatan yenilmezlik aurasını ortadan kaldıracak."

Erdoğan seçimlerde yarışmıyor. Ancak anayasal olarak törensel bir makam olan cumhurbaşkanlığının yürütme gücüne sahip olabilmesi için partisinin salt çoğunluğu elde etmesini hedefliyor. Bu hedefi ve daha önce ifade özgürlüğü ve dini özgürlüklere yönelik saldırıları farklı grupları HDP’nin etrafında birleştirdi. Michigan Üniversitesi’den Hisyar Özsoy, ‘Seçmenler HDP’yi, Erdoğan’ın ve Türk tarzı cumhurbaşkanlığını durdurabilecek aktör olarak görüyor’ diyor.

http://m.ensonhaber.com/haber.php?id=384196

cimcimegfb · 28 Ekim 2015

Deviremiyceksiiiniz!

kito_ · 28 Ekim 2015

bu yazıdan öyle bir sonuç çıkmadığı gibi financial timesı okuduğumda böyle bir haber olmadığını gördüm.
başka bir haber var ama çevirisinin burada yazanla pek alakası yok.Başlığıyla hiç alakası yok.
haberlerde karışma mı var acaba ,hangi gün yazmışlar ?

tolin · 28 Ekim 2015

Akp bu seçimde hilesiz %40 ı görsün öpsün başına koysun

ZeyMurEl · 28 Ekim 2015

kito_ .!.:
bu yazıdan öyle bir sonuç çıkmadığı gibi financial timesı okuduğumda böyle bir haber olmadığını gördüm.
başka bir haber var ama çevirisinin burada yazanla pek alakası yok.Başlığıyla hiç alakası yok.
haberlerde karışma mı var acaba ,hangi gün yazmışlar ?

Bu mu o bahsettiğin?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/df167ea8-7bf3-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html#axzz3ps1eaCfT

kito_ · 28 Ekim 2015

ZeyMurEl .!.:
Bu mu o bahsettiğin?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/df167ea8-7bf3-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html#axzz3ps1eaCfT

evet.tamamını okuyamadım ama bu içerik değildi.

ZeyMurEl · 28 Ekim 2015

Evet evet o verdiğim linkmiş çünkü ilk cümle aynı.

Orjinal haberin başlığı: Kürt Partinin amacı Erdoğanla seçimde çarpışmak.

Ve yazıya göz gezdirdim, Davutoğlu'nun ve Numan Kurtulmuş'un HDP hakkında düşünceleri falan da var. Türkiye'nin şu anki durmunu, partilerin düşüncelerini falan anlatmış.

Nerede HDP'ye oy verin demiş anam ben neden göremedim... Bi de açık açıkmış

marilyn monroe · 28 Ekim 2015

ZeyMurEl .!.:
Evet evet o verdiğim linkmiş çünkü ilk cümle aynı.

Orjinal haberin başlığı: Kürt Partinin amacı Erdoğanla seçimde çarpışmak.

Ve yazıya göz gezdirdim, Davutoğlu'nun ve Numan Kurtulmuş'un HDP hakkında düşünceleri falan da var. Türkiye'nin şu anki durmunu, partilerin düşüncelerini falan anlatmış.

Nerede HDP'ye oy verin demiş anam ben neden göremedim... Bi de açık açıkmış

FT'ı açamadım, üyeliğimin süresi dolmuş ama başka kaynaktan yönlenerek okudum, doğrudan bir Türkiye'nin seçim öncesi siyasi iklimini analiz eden bir yazı olmuş. HDP'ye oy verin gibi bir ibare yoktu.
link ekleyip orjinal metni kopyalıyabiliyor musun?

ZeyMurEl · 28 Ekim 2015

Kurdish party aims for electoral strike at Erdogan

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

In June a fledgling alliance of the underdogs of Turkish politics — Kurds, leftists and women’s rights activists — stunned Turkey’s political elite by winning 13 per cent of a parliamentary poll.

On Sunday, they hope to do it again, but this time against a more disturbing backdrop: the resumption of hostilities between the state and Kurdish militants; Islamist bomb attacks against Kurdish activists; and polarising political rhetoric from President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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If the People’s Democratic party (HDP) reaches the 10 per cent threshold for representation in parliament, it will deliver an enduring rebuke to the leadership to Mr Erdogan, probably robbing him of both an outright majority for his party and certainly of the aura of invincibility that has cloaked him since he started the first of three terms as prime minister in 2003.

“At least they have new ideas,” said Yildiz Aslan, a 24-year-old in Istanbul’s Uskudar neighbourhood, who said that, although not a Kurd, she intended to vote for the HDP.

“The AKP has been in power since I was a child, and my family always votes for them,” she said. “But for me, you must always remind the politicians that you are independent, not always on their side.”

The November elections are a re-run of the June ballot, which yielded the historic inclusion of the pro-Kurdish HDP in the legislature, but also a split parliament, failed coalition talks and a fresh election.

Since then, Islamic militants bombed the HDP section of a peace rally in Ankara in Turkey’s biggest terrorist attack, killing 102 people. The party’s local headquarters have been attacked, and its leader, Selahattin Demirtas, is being investigated for insulting the president, and for producing propaganda for a terror organisation. Mr Demirtas declined to be interviewed, citing his busy campaign schedule.

The attack in Ankara forced the HDP to suspend its mass rallies because of security concerns, ending the raucous affairs that brought together Kurds seeking a political voice, leftists who have long been banished to the fringes of the political discourse, women and gay rights activists, and even ex-Erdogan supporters who see his attempts at an executive presidency as an over-reach of power.

The ruling Justice and Development party, or AKP, and the largest opposition groups, have meanwhile sharpened their attacks against the HDP, which they once dismissed as political minnows. At stake is the loyalty of an estimated 15m Kurds, who until recently split their votes between Erdogan’s party and the opposition.

Mr Erdogan is not giving up on Kurdish votes easily. He has made public appearances in the restive Kurdish-majority south with a Kurdish Koran, a reminder of the fact that over the past few years he has introduced greater freedoms for the Kurdish language, which was mostly banned until 1991. He reminds citizens that he initiated peace talks with the Kurdistan Workers’ party, or PKK, which is designated a terrorist organisation by the EU and the US. Those talks are stalled, a fact he blames on the PKK.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has also repeatedly tried to tie the HDP with the PKK, an allegation aimed at holding on to Kurdish voters who fear a return to the violence of the 1990s. It is an easy accusation to make — the HDP was forged after a 2013 message from the imprisoned leader of the PKK, Abdullah Ocalan, urged his supporters to consider a political solution for Kurdish rights. Mr Demirtas’s brother fights for the outlawed PKK and at some HDP rallies in the south, supporters have shown up with Ocalan flags.

“The actual barrier for the HDP is not the nationwide 10 per cent vote — the barrier is if they have put enough distance between the terrorist organisation (PKK) and their political organisation,” Numan Kurtulmus, deputy prime minister, said.

Mr Kurtulmus said he did not believe that the HDP had succeeded on that front. “If they can put some distance from the terrorist activities, they will be very positive participants of the Turkish democratic system.”

It has taken all of Mr Demirtas’s skill at oratory to deflect those allegations and separate perceptions of the HDP from the violent PKK. The government’s response to the Ankara bombing, where it blamed an unlikely alliance of the PKK, Isis militants and other rivals in Syria of co-ordinating an attack on Kurds in Turkey, helped too.

“Until the HDP won in the last elections, and crossed this 10 per cent threshold, the government was much more accommodating, said Ilter Turan, a professor of political science at Bilgi University. “Only after it became apparent that the HDP could deny the government their majority, the president initiated a line that accuses them of being an arm of the PKK. It’s not an legal thing — it’s a political thing. The goal is essentially to say that if they vote for the HDP, they are voting for a terrorist organisation.”

Mr Erdogan is not on the ballot, but is aiming for an outright majority for his party so he can endow his constitutionally ceremonial presidency with executive powers. He has already served three terms as prime minister, the maximum his party’s rules would allow. That ambition, and his previous crackdown on free speech and religious freedoms, has drawn to the HDP a disparate group of supporters and parliamentarians.

“Voters see the HDP as the actor that can stop Erdogan, especially what he calls his Turkish-style presidency,” said Hisyar Ozsoy, a Kurdish academic at the University of Michigan, who returned to the town of Bingol to win a seat in parliament in the June elections. “This brings together this very diverse group of people, people who vote strategically to stop Erdogan.”

It is a refrain repeated by other HDP candidates too. It is an attempt to remind voters that a vote for the HDP is as much a vote against Mr Erdogan as it is a vote for Kurdish rights.

Ertugrul Kurkcu, is an old-school Marxist who gave up his leadership of the HDP to Mr Demirtas and Figen Yuksekdag, a socialist and women’s rights activist. Mr Kurkcu, who is not Kurdish, spent 14 years in prison after a military court in the 1970s convicted him of planning violence against the state.

After years on the political fringe, he won a seat to parliament from the coastal town of Izmir on an HDP ticket and is standing again.

“A Kurdish political leader fits the task rather more than an old-guard leftist like me,” the 67-year-old candidate said. “Even if we are the best friends of the Kurds, they still want to hear the voice of one of their sons, one of their brethren. Without the Kurds, there would be no HDP, but without the left, there could be some sort of strong Kurdish party.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/df167ea8-7bf3-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html#axzz3ps1eaCfT

evlaefe · 28 Ekim 2015

Cumhurun yikilmasi hdp nin oy oranina mi bagliymisssssşşş
Hadi ordan

27.01 · 28 Ekim 2015

Ay tr deki haberleri çarpıtmakla kalmayıp; yurt dışına mi açıldık

earth_angel9 · 28 Ekim 2015

Ya bunlarin isleri gucleri yalan dolan. Ceviriyi yapanlarin sucu hep. Milleti anlamadan dinlemeden gaza getiriyorlar. Kabatasta kadin tartaklandi gozumuzle yarasini morlugunu gorduk dediler kendilerini acindirdilar aylarca eee sonuc? Poff koca bir yalan. Artik kaynagi belli olmayan hicbir seye inanmiyorum. Linki bulup eklemenizde cok guzel olmus!!! Buda buradan yapilacak yalan yanlis yorumlarin onunu kesmis. Tebrik ederim sizleri

kito_ · 28 Ekim 2015

evlaefe .!.:
Cumhurun yikilmasi hdp nin oy oranina mi bagliymisssssşşş
Hadi ordan

Cumhura yani halka kimse birşey yapamayacağı gibi cumhuriyeti de kimse yıkamaz
ama şuanda görevde olan kişi ve ilerideki hayalinden bahsediyorsanız biz ve bizim çocuklarımız var .Yeter...
hdpnin oyuna da ihtiyacımız yok.

ZeyMurEl · 28 Ekim 2015

Mesela Numan Kurtulmuş'un şu sözleri var;

“The actual barrier for the HDP is not the nationwide 10 per cent vote — the barrier is if they have put enough distance between the terrorist organisation (PKK) and their political organisation,” Numan Kurtulmus, deputy prime minister, said.

Mr Kurtulmus said he did not believe that the HDP had succeeded on that front. “If they can put some distance from the terrorist activities, they will be very positive participants of the Turkish democratic system.

Özetle HDP'nin barajdaki sıkıntısı PKK ile arasına mesafe koymamaktır. Mesafe koyarlarsa Türk demokrat sisteminde pozitif bir katılımcı olacaklar şeklinde.

Başka bir paragrafta RTE'nin kürt seçmenine Kürtçe Kuran hazırlattığını ve 1991'den beri yasaklanan Kürtçe diline özgürlükler getirdiğini ve kürt seçmenin oyunu kolay kolay bırakmayacağını söylüyor.

Amaç FT gibi gazeteler Erdoğan'ın kuyusunu kazıyor hadi birleşelim, mazlumun yanında olalım mı, neden kandırıyorlar milleti? Bu mu haber ahlakı???

marilyn monroe · 28 Ekim 2015

ZeyMurEl .!.:
Kurdish party aims for electoral strike at Erdogan

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

In June a fledgling alliance of the underdogs of Turkish politics — Kurds, leftists and women’s rights activists — stunned Turkey’s political elite by winning 13 per cent of a parliamentary poll.

On Sunday, they hope to do it again, but this time against a more disturbing backdrop: the resumption of hostilities between the state and Kurdish militants; Islamist bomb attacks against Kurdish activists; and polarising political rhetoric from President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

FirstFT is our new essential daily email briefing of the best stories from across the web

If the People’s Democratic party (HDP) reaches the 10 per cent threshold for representation in parliament, it will deliver an enduring rebuke to the leadership to Mr Erdogan, probably robbing him of both an outright majority for his party and certainly of the aura of invincibility that has cloaked him since he started the first of three terms as prime minister in 2003.

“At least they have new ideas,” said Yildiz Aslan, a 24-year-old in Istanbul’s Uskudar neighbourhood, who said that, although not a Kurd, she intended to vote for the HDP.

“The AKP has been in power since I was a child, and my family always votes for them,” she said. “But for me, you must always remind the politicians that you are independent, not always on their side.”

The November elections are a re-run of the June ballot, which yielded the historic inclusion of the pro-Kurdish HDP in the legislature, but also a split parliament, failed coalition talks and a fresh election.

Since then, Islamic militants bombed the HDP section of a peace rally in Ankara in Turkey’s biggest terrorist attack, killing 102 people. The party’s local headquarters have been attacked, and its leader, Selahattin Demirtas, is being investigated for insulting the president, and for producing propaganda for a terror organisation. Mr Demirtas declined to be interviewed, citing his busy campaign schedule.

The attack in Ankara forced the HDP to suspend its mass rallies because of security concerns, ending the raucous affairs that brought together Kurds seeking a political voice, leftists who have long been banished to the fringes of the political discourse, women and gay rights activists, and even ex-Erdogan supporters who see his attempts at an executive presidency as an over-reach of power.

The ruling Justice and Development party, or AKP, and the largest opposition groups, have meanwhile sharpened their attacks against the HDP, which they once dismissed as political minnows. At stake is the loyalty of an estimated 15m Kurds, who until recently split their votes between Erdogan’s party and the opposition.

Mr Erdogan is not giving up on Kurdish votes easily. He has made public appearances in the restive Kurdish-majority south with a Kurdish Koran, a reminder of the fact that over the past few years he has introduced greater freedoms for the Kurdish language, which was mostly banned until 1991. He reminds citizens that he initiated peace talks with the Kurdistan Workers’ party, or PKK, which is designated a terrorist organisation by the EU and the US. Those talks are stalled, a fact he blames on the PKK.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has also repeatedly tried to tie the HDP with the PKK, an allegation aimed at holding on to Kurdish voters who fear a return to the violence of the 1990s. It is an easy accusation to make — the HDP was forged after a 2013 message from the imprisoned leader of the PKK, Abdullah Ocalan, urged his supporters to consider a political solution for Kurdish rights. Mr Demirtas’s brother fights for the outlawed PKK and at some HDP rallies in the south, supporters have shown up with Ocalan flags.

“The actual barrier for the HDP is not the nationwide 10 per cent vote — the barrier is if they have put enough distance between the terrorist organisation (PKK) and their political organisation,” Numan Kurtulmus, deputy prime minister, said.

Mr Kurtulmus said he did not believe that the HDP had succeeded on that front. “If they can put some distance from the terrorist activities, they will be very positive participants of the Turkish democratic system.”

It has taken all of Mr Demirtas’s skill at oratory to deflect those allegations and separate perceptions of the HDP from the violent PKK. The government’s response to the Ankara bombing, where it blamed an unlikely alliance of the PKK, Isis militants and other rivals in Syria of co-ordinating an attack on Kurds in Turkey, helped too.

“Until the HDP won in the last elections, and crossed this 10 per cent threshold, the government was much more accommodating, said Ilter Turan, a professor of political science at Bilgi University. “Only after it became apparent that the HDP could deny the government their majority, the president initiated a line that accuses them of being an arm of the PKK. It’s not an legal thing — it’s a political thing. The goal is essentially to say that if they vote for the HDP, they are voting for a terrorist organisation.”

Mr Erdogan is not on the ballot, but is aiming for an outright majority for his party so he can endow his constitutionally ceremonial presidency with executive powers. He has already served three terms as prime minister, the maximum his party’s rules would allow. That ambition, and his previous crackdown on free speech and religious freedoms, has drawn to the HDP a disparate group of supporters and parliamentarians.

“Voters see the HDP as the actor that can stop Erdogan, especially what he calls his Turkish-style presidency,” said Hisyar Ozsoy, a Kurdish academic at the University of Michigan, who returned to the town of Bingol to win a seat in parliament in the June elections. “This brings together this very diverse group of people, people who vote strategically to stop Erdogan.”

It is a refrain repeated by other HDP candidates too. It is an attempt to remind voters that a vote for the HDP is as much a vote against Mr Erdogan as it is a vote for Kurdish rights.

Ertugrul Kurkcu, is an old-school Marxist who gave up his leadership of the HDP to Mr Demirtas and Figen Yuksekdag, a socialist and women’s rights activist. Mr Kurkcu, who is not Kurdish, spent 14 years in prison after a military court in the 1970s convicted him of planning violence against the state.

After years on the political fringe, he won a seat to parliament from the coastal town of Izmir on an HDP ticket and is standing again.

“A Kurdish political leader fits the task rather more than an old-guard leftist like me,” the 67-year-old candidate said. “Even if we are the best friends of the Kurds, they still want to hear the voice of one of their sons, one of their brethren. Without the Kurds, there would be no HDP, but without the left, there could be some sort of strong Kurdish party.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/df167ea8-7bf3-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html#axzz3ps1eaCfT

gerçekten baya oy verin HDP'ye diye çığırmışlar. adamlar bildiğin bir analiz yapmış yahu. iyice her gölgede bir düşman görür oldu yandaş medya.

evlaefe · 28 Ekim 2015

kito_ .!.:
Cumhura yani halka kimse birşey yapamayacağı gibi cumhuriyeti de kimse yıkamaz
ama şuanda görevde olan kişi ve ilerideki hayalinden bahsediyorsanız biz ve bizim çocuklarımız var .Yeter...
hdpnin oyuna da ihtiyacımız yok.

Turkiyenin ilk halk tarafindan secilmis Cumhurbaskanina ne alaka laf geliyor cozebilmis degilim.Ki bundan sonraki cumhurlarida halk sececek
Cok gereksiz muhabbetlere gidiyor fazlada yazmak istemiyrm.Umarim hdp baraji hic gecemez insalllaahhhh

olivia · 28 Ekim 2015

evlaefe .!.:
Umarim hdp baraji hic gecemez insalllaahhhh

Hdp oy sonuclari tahminlerinde her seferinde barajin üstünde. Aci ama gercek !

matmazeldepresif · 28 Ekim 2015

evlaefe .!.:
Umarim hdp baraji hic gecemez insalllaahhhh

amin inşallah geçmez

tolin · 28 Ekim 2015

inşallah gecemez başkanlık gelir bi sonraki secime kadar oy kullanma hakkı sadece erkeklere verilir sizde oturursunuz paşa paşa evinizde

evlaefe · 28 Ekim 2015

olivia .!.:
Hdp oy sonuclari tahminlerinde her seferinde barajin üstünde. Aci ama gercek !

Secim gunu umarm tam aksi olur

matmazeldepresif .!.:
amin inşallah geçmez

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